Episode 190 - FORM Goggles Review: Game-Changer or Waste of Money?

FORM Goggles Review: Game-Changer or Waste of Money?

If you've ever found yourself 300 meters from the buoy on race day or struggling to maintain pace during training, there might be a high-tech solution out there for you.

No magic bullet will ever replace good old fashioned swim training, but could FORM Smart Goggles be game changer?

Or are they just a fancy new gadget, or even worse, a complete waste of money?

Today I’m joined by Brenton Ford from Effortless Swimming to give us a no BS review of the FORM Smart Goggles. These high-tech goggles provide real-time metrics displayed right before your eyes as you swim but at nearly $300, are they worth the investment? 

You might know Brenton from his popular technique videos on YouTube or his coaching programs that have helped thousands of triathletes become way more efficient swimmers. With thousands of success stories under his belt, Brenton shares his professional and practical perspective on this product. There’s no sponsorship here, so rest assured this is his honest and unbiassed review.

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Episode 190: FORM Goggles Review: Game-Changer or Waste of Money?

Welcome to the Triathlon Nutrition Academy podcast. The show designed to serve you up evidence-based sports nutrition advice from the experts. Hi, I'm your host Taryn, Accredited Practicing Dietitian, Advanced Sports Dietitian and founder of Dietitian Approved. Listen as I break down the latest evidence to give you practical, easy-to-digest strategies to train hard, recover faster and perform at your best. You have so much potential, and I want to help you unlock that with the power of nutrition. Let's get into it.

[00:00:00] Taryn: Welcome back to the Triathlon Nutrition Academy podcast. If you've ever wished you could just wake up and magically be better at swimming or swim the actual race distance, instead of ending up 300 meters off course, then today's episode is for you. I'm joined by Brenton Ford from Effortless Swimming, who is gonna help.

[00:00:18] Chat about all things FORM Swim Smart goggles. You know those ones with the fancy display that shows you your pace, your stroke rate, and the distance while you swim. Brenton's gonna give us a non-biased no BS review and just take a practical look at whether they're worth it. For age group triathletes like you, you might know Brenton from his incredibly popular technique videos on YouTube. Or his coaching programs that have helped thousands of triathletes become way more efficient swimmers. But today he's putting on his product review hat and he's gonna help us figure out if those futuristic goggles are really worth the investment or if they're just a fancy gimmick. So we're going to dive into today how the goggles work and if they're really hard or actually quite easy to use, how they perform in both the pool and the open water. Who maybe they're best suited for, and maybe somebody that won't benefit as much. And most importantly, are they actually going to help you become a better swimmer or are they just an expensive toy? As always, this podcast is not sponsored in any way, so we will keep it real Give you our honest feedback. Let's get stuck into it. Welcome, Brenton.

[00:01:44] Brenton: Hey Taryn. Thanks for having me back on. It's, we were saying before, it's been a while since we've chatted on the podcast, but it's nice to be back on and how two years can fly.

[00:01:53] Taryn: Yeah, we'll have to do it way more regularly, I think.

[00:01:55] Brenton: I think so.

[00:01:56] Taryn: So for those who don't know you yet, Brenton, can you give us a quick [00:02:00] snapshot of who you are and what you do at Effortless Swimming?

[00:02:02] Brenton: So my, my background was as a competitive swimmer and pretty quickly after I started or finished swimming competitively, I started coaching and have coached since I was, uh, about 18. And I work primarily with triathletes. I. To help them improve their technique to be faster and more efficient. So I, I do a lot of clinics around Australia and some overseas camps, and I just, I really enjoy work on the technical side of things and luckily that it's, uh, swimming is a technical sport, so there's always room for improvement.

[00:02:31] Taryn: and your swim camps look amazing. I definitely wanna come to one of the Maldives one one time.

[00:02:35] Brenton: you are more than welcome to. So, uh, next year lock it in.

[00:02:39] Taryn: Yeah, maybe I just come from a holiday, so me time.

[00:02:42] Brenton: Yeah, it sounds good.

[00:02:43] Taryn: let's dive into the goggles. comes to your philosophy around swimming tech, are you generally an early adopter with some of these things, or are you more of a wait and see kind of guy?

[00:02:52] Brenton: I kind of go back and forth. So, uh, for example, like FORM goggles, I, I put off using them for a while, until I. I got sent a pair by FORM because I was like, nah, I'm anti-tech, anti-tech in some ways with, uh, with swimming. Uh, and so then I actually started, I tried them and, started wearing them, in some sessions.

[00:03:13] And then with other things, like I've been a pretty early adopter, like the EO swim better, the power meter devices. So it just depends on the technology. Typically, I am a more wait and see kind of person. but I am open to, to new, new things. I don't wanna get stuck in that kind of old school way where it's just like, nah, just like, you know, 10, four hundreds and, you know, just doing it the old way, it's like, no, you, you've gotta adapt with the time.

[00:03:36] So, uh, I'm certainly open to new things.

[00:03:39] Taryn: All I remember from swimming days in terms of gear was those bands that you had to tie around your ankles that were literally just an old tie tube.

[00:03:46] Brenton: Yeah.

[00:03:47] Taryn: I had to swim with.

[00:03:48] Brenton: That was the highest tech. or maybe, maybe a stopwatch that might, might be the highest tech back then.

[00:03:55] Taryn: So for somebody that hasn't really heard of FORM goggles or doesn't really know what they are, can you explain what [00:04:00] they are, what they do, and how they're different to just a traditional pair of swimming goggles?

[00:04:04] Brenton: So they've got a augmented reality. So it's, they've got a display, in the goggles. So it will display either time, pace, lapse, whatever you kind of want it to display. And it will, it will be there in the goggles so you can see out normally like you would with any pair of goggles. It will have this little electronic display in, in one of them, it's very similar to a Garmin in the way that it tracks things.

[00:04:27] But I'd say it is more accurate than a Garmin because, because it's on your head instead of your arm. I think it's just easier to track things accurately. So some of the data that you would normally get from a a Garmin watch, you will get through the FORM goggles plus, Fair few other things as well on, on top of it.

[00:04:46] And they've added more features where you can follow along with workouts, you can track some of your technique and look at how you're going with it. So I'd say it's kind of like a, a Garmin, but with more accuracy. And obviously you can see it as your, you're swimming as well.

[00:05:01] Taryn: Do you think seeing that stuff while you're swimming is beneficial? Like that real time data?

[00:05:07] Brenton: with some things, I think absolutely. so for the way that I have used the goggles in the past is just for essentially just time and pace. So that's how I've ac I've actually got the most value out of it is if I'm doing a set where I want to be hitting the right times and paces getting my split off each wall.

[00:05:26] So you. Hit the wall, push off, and I'll say, all right, that was a 37.5, second 50. 

[00:05:32] Taryn: Woo. 

[00:05:33] Brenton: probably talking myself up, it's probably more like 45. Uh, it's tracking it that way I've found really useful because if you are kind of doing a descending set where you'll get quicker, each 200, just knowing that you're on track for that, I've found to be quite beneficial, whereas we've never been able to do that before.

[00:05:50] It's just, you'll get your time at the end of the. A hundred or 200, but knowing where you are in real time is, is, that was pretty cool. And, and that's been my primary [00:06:00] use of it. Another, maybe good one for that too, can just be some of the technique related stuff. So head position, for example, you can kind of get a sense of where you should be looking. 'cause it will tell you, oh, you're too high, you're too low. The thing with their head position data though, is they give you a score out of a hundred and I think they've got it angled at might be like 38 degrees.

[00:06:21] So if you're looking at 38 degrees forwards from straight down, you'll get a score of a hundred. But the thing with that is it's, there's a range. It's like not everyone should look at 38 degrees know, some people might look. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. There's, there's a range for all elite swimmers and, and all, you know, amateur swimmers as well.

[00:06:39] So that I think can be a little bit, there's more nuance to it, so you kind of just need to know that. But then there are things like time to neutral. So how long do you take to get back to neutral after you take your breath? That can be quite useful as well. the thing with it though, is it, it can't necessarily give you the entire picture.

[00:06:58] So let's say your time to neutral is quite, well, you're very slow to get back to neutral. It might actually be that you're turning your head too late or that you're sort of lifting and turning to breathe, so it's taking longer to get the breath. So there's, it won't necessarily give you the whole picture, but it can certainly give you a pretty good snapshot.

[00:07:14] Taryn: And from a coaching technique. Is the information that it's giving you in real time, do you think that that is useful and beneficial, or do you think that's a bit more confusing and overwhelming for athletes?

[00:07:24] Brenton: I think it can, it can be pretty good, especially for someone who doesn't have a swimming background. Now, I think if you come from a swimming background, typically you've got a, a fairly good sense of your timing and paces and return on effort. I. Whereas somebody who doesn't have that background, that takes a while to develop.

[00:07:41] So it can be pretty good for that, especially for like going out too hard and too fast, which I see a lot of beginner swimmers really do. So in terms of pacing, I think it can help there. technique stuff, it, Depends how you use it. Like we have so much data when it comes to our training and in swimming, I, I do like [00:08:00] to err on the simplistic side because there is just so much to to think about.

[00:08:05] So I think if you use it for a specific purpose and don't get too caught up in it, it can be, it can be okay. But it's sort of a case by case basis. But I wouldn't say that everyone has to have. FORM goggles, for example. but it, it can be a useful tool for, for certain people.

[00:08:23] One thing that I've found with them too is like the, the visuals is obviously not as good as a normal pair of goggles 'cause they do stick out a bit bigger. The viewing range is, is a bit narrower and you've got obviously the. The data there as well. So it's, yeah, and open water that can be a little bit restrictive.

[00:08:42] So there is, I think it might be, Finnis might be the other brand that's got one. I might have that wrong, but they've got one that's got kind of normal lenses and then just off to the side, it will show you. Whatever data you want in there so you can kind of just look to the side and get that snapshot.

[00:08:56] So that's another option. And I've had one swimmer use them and they said that was actually pretty, pretty good. So there are other options there as well, but I haven't tried the other ones.

[00:09:07] Taryn: With the FORM goggles. I haven't actually put them on my face, but do they have the data right in front of your eyes or sitting off to the sides?

[00:09:13] Brenton: Right, right in front on one lens it's fairly easy to just kind of look at that and then just look ahead from there. So it's easy to make that switch between the two. But it does take some getting used to, and it can be a little bit, I think, off-putting at the start 'cause it's like, it's just, a bit strange.

[00:09:29] And then also like the limited range of you is a bit strange as well. So, yeah, if you're in like a busy squad environment or like, you kind of need to be well aware of your surroundings. May not be the best option. yeah, I, I, I'm selective with when I wear mine, like it's not every session and it's, it's more for something that might be like a threshold session where you try want to be pretty accurate with your paces.

[00:09:52] But I don't like to use 'em if it's pretty busy in, in our lane because like You're not gonna be able to see as much of what's coming ahead.

[00:09:58] Taryn: Yep. Lots of crashes. [00:10:00] Unless you're leading the lane.

[00:10:01] Brenton: Yeah. 

[00:10:01] Taryn: One of the really cool features that I know a lot of triathletes have gone the FORM goggles path for is the swim straight, you know, to make sure that they are actually swimming straight in a race. Have you had much experience using that and do you think that's beneficial or it's a bit of a gimmick?

[00:10:17] Brenton: I, I haven't used it much and I haven't used it in a race, so I can only comment to what I've heard from others and a little bit of my experience. Jerry from Tralo, for example, he said, uh, that he, like, he's used it a bit in a race and some of his athletes do, and they have found it really beneficial.

[00:10:34] So it, yeah, I think it can be really good for some people, especially if it's, let's say it's like. In New Zealand, like New Zealand Iron Man, it's basically just out and back. Like it's a very direct course. So you're pretty much going almost 1.6 K out, 200 across 1.6 K back. It's like if you can see a boy right, then you can go head down and not have to be too aware of your surroundings.

[00:10:56] if you don't cite for something like, I don't know, 12 or 15 strokes or something, it'll say like, look up. So it's like you're still gonna have to be siding, but it can just keep you a little bit more on track. So like, in terms of accuracy, it's pretty good from my experience. but it's not like a, it's not like you can just look down for 3.8 K and, uh, it can be quite good, especially if you are an area where. you know that there's not gonna be boats or other people or whatever, and you just wanna swim straight. Like that's not bad for training and stuff like that.

[00:11:27] Taryn: And so it doesn't have the course loaded into the field of view or something. It's giving you a degree symbol that you've gotta keep within. So you have to actually cite to see where you're going first to get trajectory. Is that right?

[00:11:39] Brenton: Yeah, exactly right. So you'd need to site, make sure you can see the boy. Then, you know, okay, that's saying one 40, so you can look down and then you can just keep on that one 40. So it doesn't take away the need to cite at all. Um, You still have to do it, and it will tell you, cite like, look forwards, be aware of your surroundings.

[00:11:57] Uh, if you don't look for, for a [00:12:00] certain number of strokes or certain amount of time.

[00:12:02] Taryn: Okay. So it's not the magic bullet that all triathletes are looking for to be able to swim straight.

[00:12:07] Brenton: No, no. I would prefer someone learn how to like, take the 15, 20 minutes to learn how to cite and do that well. So it doesn't break your rhythm and those sorts of things. And, uh, and look, if you want to use FORM goggles, a lot of people do wear 'em in a race and, and have, gotten a lot from that swim straight, like, you know, by all means, uh, go for it and use that.

[00:12:27] To your advantage if you, uh, if you want to,

[00:12:30] Taryn: And compared to using them in the pool versus the open water, do you see any advantages to either method or you could use them across both?

[00:12:38] Brenton: you could, you could use 'em across both. I haven't really done much in the open water with them at all. Only because of the, like, the visuals with it. Like, I would much prefer to be able to kind of have some slightly bigger goggles, see where I'm going. To be able to do it. that's just my, my preference.

[00:12:54] But in the pool, I think, like, I prefer to use 'em in the pool because I like you can get your pace. Yeah, you can keep track of that stuff. So, that's where I'd prefer to, to use 'em, but I know people who prefer to use 'em open water, so it just depends.

[00:13:05] Taryn: So do you think they're more of a training tool than a race day performance type tool? Then

[00:13:10] Brenton: Yeah. For me, that's how I'd, I'd look to use them. More for training, so you can be aware of your, your pace or maybe your, your stroke count, whatever sort of data that you're, you're tracking, or even if you wanna follow along with their workouts, like that can, that can be quite good motivation for people to, if you are swimming solo, even just having a Para goggles tell you what you need to be doing. Even that can just kind of help you get through it. 'cause sometimes, sometimes training solo for a lot of people can be quite boring and monotonous and it's like, eh, I'll just skip this 200, I'll skip this 400. So I like, I've, I've used them with the workouts a few times before it was quite motivating.

[00:13:45] Like it's it just takes a small little bit of accountability to help you do the session that you're required to do. So, uh, that's why I, I would prefer to use 'em in the pool more so than, than racing.

[00:13:56] Taryn: I see the new ones have got little heart rate monitor that sits here on your [00:14:00] temple as well. Have you found that that's nice and accurate and that data's helpful?

[00:14:03] Brenton: Yeah. It's. I think as long as you wear a cap, it's fairly accurate. So like I, I have worn before, I've got the heart rate monitor one, and sometimes it's like, it's just, you're like, no way. I was going max effort and my heart rate is not one 15. I know that. But I don't. Often wear a cap either.

[00:14:21] So I, I try and wear a cap when I have got them on because then it just sits at a little bit closer and then it's really up against your temple. And then it is like fairly accurate and, and I can see that in a set where I might be descending. So let's say it's 10 ones and maybe you're just like building up as you go.

[00:14:38] You can see that in the heart rate. So it's fairly accurate there, but I haven't compared it to like a, the one you can wear around your arm, which are, from my understanding, probably the most accurate that you can get while you are swimming. I haven't compared it to that, but from what I can see, it looks pretty accurate.

[00:14:53] Taryn: So what are, what are some of the drawbacks or things that are annoying or maybe didn't work as expected?

[00:15:00] Brenton: In terms of anti-fog, like, I mean, most goggles don't last that long with like anti-fog anyway. So like that's one thing 'cause it's like you can't just attach this thing to a new pair of goggles. So in a way they've got a limited lifespan or just your ability to see, see.

[00:15:17] Well, I haven't really had any issues with connecting to the app on the phone. Like that's all been, been really good and, and pretty seamless. they do keep adding more features and like improving things, which I like. But drawbacks, I mean, aside from that, aside from just like they, they're going to wear like any piece of equipment, and, and the visual side of things, I can't think of Too many more. I mean, some people don't like the um, subscription side of it, which is, which is understandable, like, you can still use them without the subscription, but you don't get access to, I think, like loaded workouts and a few other things. But you can still get your, your data and all of that.

[00:15:54] But I don't think you can use the swim straight and some of the technique feedback things [00:16:00] without the subscription. So I think you get like the base amount of data so you can still track times and pace and things like that.

[00:16:07] Taryn: the anti-fog stuff disappearing over time would be really annoying 'cause they're quite expensive to then have something rendered almost useless because of that one tiny thing. They almost need to invent a way to sub out lenses or like you said, clip that thing onto a new pair of goggles. That'd be cool.

[00:16:24] Brenton: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean, you can kind of do the, the baby shampoo stuff, but like, it, it, it only lasts so long. 

[00:16:31] Taryn: that, that is a good tip actually. If, if, if anybody's listening and you buy a new pair of goggles every time the anti-fog disappears. Good old, like Johnson and Johnson's baby shampoo works a treat. You got, have you got any tips for people use that to like how to actually physically the anti-fog with something like that?

[00:16:51] Brenton: that's pretty much the um, the jet, like baby shampoo is the one, and just doing that every, like before every swim. 

[00:16:57] Taryn: Put it on and leave it to dry, or do you just chuck it on for a bit and then rinse it off?

[00:17:01] Brenton: well, I haven't tried leaving it on to dry. It would just normally be like, put something in, use your finger to wash it and then clear it off. Have you, have you got any experience with that? Because I feel like I'm missing out on something here, so.

[00:17:12] Taryn: No, it's, it's more for people that are like, what is this tip? This is a gold nugget tip that you probably don't even think you realize that, you know, I have leaving it onto dry and it just forms like a big thick mess that you can't see through anyway. So then you've got, you gotta get your finger in there and actually like clean it out to. Be able to see. So some good little practical tips that if you're not a swimmer,

[00:17:35] Brenton: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:36] Taryn: with food, I don't even realize I know all this stuff about food and cooking. And then people are like, oh, that's an amazing idea. And you're like, ah, really? That was like simple.

[00:17:44] Brenton: Yeah. Yeah. It's um, there's this new technology that, like, for anti-fog, where it's like, instead of just applying a coating, so I used to wear Swedish goggles, which are like, no frame goggles that like, just sit on your right. You'll, you'll know. And like, just sit right over your eyeballs.

[00:17:58] But I'd, you know, quite, [00:18:00] I, I don't mind 'em, but the, like, the anti-fog would last maybe five swims or six swims. Because it's just a coating. But there's this, yeah. New technology where they do like this, microderm abrasion to the lens where it pulls in the water gets covered with water, and then it's like, you can see really clearly and it lasts way longer.

[00:18:20] maybe they should, they need to do, do that to the, the FORM goggle lens. 'cause I'm sure they'd be able to, and it would last so much longer.

[00:18:27] Taryn: Yeah. There you go. 

[00:18:28] Brenton: So. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:31] Taryn: Thank you for that. Sidetrack. Can you think of any scenarios where using FORM goggles would be a bad idea for an athlete? I.

[00:18:38] Brenton: yeah, I, for someone who's fairly new, or like still working on some of the basics, probably not worth tracking like time and pace and and some of those things, like if you are, let's say you're a, maybe a two 30 swimmer per hundred, I don't think it's worthwhile just using the goggles to track pace and things like that because probably need to get just some fundamentals of your technique in place first.

[00:19:02] Good head position, good body position, the right rotation, like just go through those fundamentals first to work down closer to maybe two minutes per hundred and and below that before you start worrying about this other stuff. So I think it's, it's very easy to get caught up in the, in the data, whether it's with your Garmin or with your FORM, especially in the early days.

[00:19:22] But that's when I think it's almost most important to not even worry about that stuff and Swimming's so much about feel as, as, you know, it's like it's, it's our feel for the water and our connection and rhythm and timing. And quite often these electronics can really take away from that. And so it's worthwhile just being okay with putting the, technology to the side and, uh, and just being aware of what you're doing in the water.

[00:19:45] So I think for, particularly for beginners, but that also applies for experienced swimmers and people who've been doing it for a few years, just like. Certainly be willing to get rid of the technology for at least some of your swimming. If you, if you like data all good, track it, [00:20:00] but at least, uh, do one session a week where you're not wearing any devices and just have that awareness about what you're doing in the water.

[00:20:07] Taryn: And it doesn't sound like it's gonna take away from having somebody watch your swimming as well. Like it's not gonna tell you about so much stuff to do with swimming form, like where your legs are and what they're doing,

[00:20:18] Brenton: Yeah.

[00:20:18] Taryn: which is really valuable to make sure you're nice and streamlined in the water. It's not my area of expertise, but. don't see them replacing that. I think maybe combined they'd be a great tool, but I don't think they're gonna be the, this is gonna improve your swimming by eight minutes for a 70.3 distance swim.

[00:20:35] Brenton: Yeah, that's, that's right. Like they can only track what's happening with your head, really. Like it's where you're looking, how long it takes to. Bring your head back to breathe and, and where you're looking when you breathe. So it can give you that feedback and obviously it can give you pace feedback, but the, all the other things with like, IM posture, legs, you know how much you're rotating.

[00:20:54] Like it can't tell you that it might be able to help you swim straight, so you might be able to save some, some good time there, but it doesn't take that long to learn how to cite well and, and keep your rhythm when you're doing it. So. I mean, it's like anything, right? There's no magic pill.

[00:21:08] uh, it still takes hard work time practice to, to get good at, at swimming and this could be a tool that could maybe help fast track that in some ways, but it is absolutely no, no magic pill at all.

[00:21:22] Taryn: So what's your final verdict then? FORM goggles. A game changer, A useful tool, or maybe just a nice to have shine little gadget.

[00:21:29] Brenton: It depends on, it depends on the context, but I think like I would say, a game changer in the fact that you can see your pace when you're swimming. A useful tool for, for most people. Um, But it is, it's a nice to have in that you don't actually, like, you don't need them to improve your swimming.

[00:21:44] So kind of covers Yeah. Across all things there. And, uh, if you want to get them and you, you know, happy to spend the money, I think it's, uh, can be a, a fun little toy to have for some of your sessions.

[00:21:56] Taryn: Okay. Thank you. Well, I hope you, I hope you enjoyed that [00:22:00] honest, deep dive into the world goggles with Brenton. you're a tech curious or you know, tech cautious type person, hopefully you've got a clearer picture about what they are, what they can do. Can't do for your swim, training and swim technique, are they gonna be the secret weapon that you've been missing or are they just a bit of a shiny swim tech that'll end up in the gear bagg next to that snorkel that you said you'd use every week, but you don't? Massive thanks to Brenton for joining me today and giving me the lowdown. If you wanna learn more about effortless swimming, I'll pop the links in the show notes for you to check that out. And if you've tried FORM goggles yourself, whether you love them or hate them, I'd love to hear from you. So come and have a chat to me over in the Dietician Approved Crew Facebook group. you found this episode helpful, or at least you know, mildly entertaining. Please leave a review or share it with a training buddy who's still zigzagging all over the Open Water Swim course. But thank you for joining me, and I'll catch you next week with more ways to train harder, recover faster, and perform at your best.

[00:23:02] Thank you, Brenton. 

 

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